Thanks for this further clarification. My understanding is that we will work toward things as you have outlined them, but I'm not sure that this level of detail is desirable in this report. That is why I left things general and simple. I don't think most of the instructors will understand or care about the differences between the individual accounts and the Goffice suite and the attendant server space and domain name that are required for it. I really don't relish the idea of trying to explain the contortions we will have to go through to get the server space set up and why it is so problematic.
One thing you mentioned in your message is the need to change emails in the Goffice. This is new information to me and I'd like to know more about it before we present the proposal next Tues.
Thanks,
Bill
On 5/23/07, Owen James <okokoj@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear C3ers,
"The basic platform we recommend to start with is a suite of Google applications."
I think it should not be a platform based on free, individual accounts.
1. An individual-accounts platform is not as scalable to the whole organisation as a suite, which is why Google developed Goffice suites. For example, an ELP Goffice suite will feature a very useful ELP Start Page:The Start Page lets you create a unique, dynamic place for your users to preview and access their inboxes and calendars, find relevant information from your organization or business, and search the web. You customize the layout, header information and color scheme, as well as the page's default content, which can include many different iGoogle gadgets , your own content and links, and RSS feeds. After your users log in, they can further customize the Start Page.2. Starting with free, individual accounts will require unneccessary changes later, e.g. a user will need to change their email address again to use ELP Goffice.
3. Calendar integration is stronger in a suite i.e Education or Premium. And calendaring appears to be a priority.
Thus, Goffice is where we should start. As a requirement, we therefore need server space and an ELP domain @ elpicu.ac.jp.
Additionally, without server space a new ELP website cannot be developed. A dynamic ELP website that aggregates individual practice by leveraging RSS and therefore making automatic what is now done (or not done) by hand, is necessary to develop a communication & information portal for the ELP - that is, a one-stop shop selling everything you need to do your ELP work.
It is important to start right and avoid problems later.
Rushing, but thank you.
Owen.
Integration is key, when multiple usersOn 5/23/07, Bill Harshbarger <wcharshbarger@gmail.com> wrote:Hi again,
Attached are two new drafts for our proposals.
I would like to distribute our final drafts along with the agenda either Friday or Monday at the latest, so please let me know as soon as possible of any further changes you want to make.
Thanks,
BillOn 5/23/07, CHRISTIANSON Mark < markc@icu.ac.jp> wrote:http://indirector.blogspot.com
Hi Bill and everyone,
"Even simpler" sounds good to me. I'll look forward to the new draft of
the proposal.
Mark
____________________________________
Mark Christianson, Instructor
English Language Program
International Christian University
3-10-2 Osawa, Mitaka, Tokyo 181-8585
Tel: 0422-33-3497/Fax: 0422-33-3500
http://edublog.jp/mark/
Bill Harshbarger wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> I'm sorry I didn't get to respond to your first message. I really
> appreciate the work you have put into this. Based on the input from
> other members of this group, I am thinking now that we need to go even
> simpler than your version. I'm hoping to come up with another draft
> tomorrow and then we can look at all the different versions and see what
> we want to go with.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On 5/22/07, *CHRISTIANSON Mark* <markc@icu.ac.jp
> <mailto: markc@icu.ac.jp>> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Just to clarify, I agree with the idea to go with a simple
> proposal in
> next Tuesday's meeting.
>
> I thought a short document with 5 Q&As would be one way to go. A
> rough
> possible five question Q&A version is below. (same as what I
> sent earlier)
>
> What does everyone think about the Q&A format and the questions?
>
> Mark
> ____________________________________
> Mark Christianson, Instructor
> English Language Program
> International Christian University
> 3-10-2 Osawa, Mitaka, Tokyo 181-8585
> Tel: 0422-33-3497/Fax: 0422-33-3500
> http://edublog.jp/mark/
>
> CHRISTIANSON Mark wrote:
>
>
>> Mark's ideas:
>
> I agree to make a proposal that is
>> 1) short with a Q&A format
>> 2) focuses mainly on what we propose people "should" do, know
> or learn,
>> 3) avoids mentioning unknown vocabulary words except for the
> few things
>>
>> How about if we answer the following basic questions.
>
>> Q1. What is the aim of the C3 committee?
>>
>> The C3 committee (Bill, Ged, Dave, Owen and Mark) has been
> meeting over
>> the past two months to try to explore new ways to help ELP
> staff and
>> students work together collaboratively, possibly using new
> types of IT
>> technologies. The C3 committee is examining how we currently work
>> together in groups such as committees, how we share,
> collaborate on, or
>> archive key documents, how we coordinate calendar scheduling of
>> meetings, how we use multimedia, and how we conduct and share
> results of
>> research. (See chart)
>>
>>
>>
>> Q2. What should the role of IT be in the ELP?
>>
>> The C3 committee believes that all ELP teachers should try
> their best to
>> learn how to use new technologies that can increase
> collaboration and
>> productivity in the department. At the same time, the C3
> committee
>> understands that adoption of any new technologies or methods is a
>> challenging process, and that there needs to be a clearly
> identifiable
>> advantage to the new technology. Furthermore, if any departmental
>> adoption of technology is to occur, all staff must clearly
> understand
>> that need, vote to accept it, and be given the necessary
> support and
>> training to make the transition.
>>
>>
>>
>> Q3. What IT technologies could possibly help the ELP and its staff
>> function more effectively in the future?
>>
>> The C3 committee believes that a variety of Internet-based
> tools could
>> be useful for us. Some of these names may be familiar, while
> others may
>> be completely new. You may remember when "Xerox" or "email"
> was a new
>> term, and all language is language learning.
>>
>> 1. Google Groups seems to have many functions very useful for
> organizing
>> group collaboration for committees or classes.
>> 2. Google Calendars seems very useful for helping us share our
> teaching
>> schedules.
>> 3. Google Office seems very useful for sharing and
> collaborating on
>> documents such as course materials.
>> 4. Online blogs such as Blogger seem very useful for staff or
> students
>> to write journals and respond to each other.
>>
>> If you are interested, some other tools we are exploring are
> Survey
>> Monkey (online surveys), Wetpaint (wikis), Del.ici.ous (social
>> bookmarking), Diigo (social web annotation), RSS feeds and so
> on. Moodle
>> is also useful tool, but has limitations and seems gradually
> replaceable
>> with the Google related tools mentioned above.
>>
>>
>>
>> Q4. What does the C3 committee propose that all ELP teachers
> try to
>> learn this year?
>>
>> The C3 committee proposes that all ELP teachers make an effort
> to...
>>
>>
>> Q5. What does the C3 committee propose that all ELP teachers
> do as the
>> first step? Why is this necessary?
>>
>> 1) Create a Google account by accessing www.
>>
>>
>> Gotta go to sub for Lynn's class, so let me leave it here.
>>
>> Mark
>> ____________________________________
>> Mark Christianson, Instructor
>> English Language Program
>> International Christian University
>> 3-10-2 Osawa, Mitaka, Tokyo 181-8585
>> Tel: 0422-33-3497/Fax: 0422-33-3500
>> http://edublog.jp/mark/
>>
>> Bill Harshbarger wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >Thanks to all of you for your input on the draft of our report
> to the
>> >ELP on this topic. At this point, I think the message that we
> should
>> >keep the amount and complexity of information given in the
> report to a
>> >minimum is clear.
>> >
>> >We have two basic proposals floating at the moment:
>> >
>> >1. Owen: I think 12 months is long-term enough and I suggest
> we focus on
>> >4 main things. These 4 things will be detailed in the report
> to the ELP.
>> >This document here is for C3 only and is built iteratively as our
>> >understanding of who we are and what we want to do develops
> over time.
>> >The 4 actions I recommend are: 1) Server space (@ icu.ac.jp
> < http://icu.ac.jp>
>> >< http://icu.ac.jp>), 2) ELP Goffice (i.e free Education
> Edition of
>> >Google Office + Delicious), 3) Support for individual
> practice, & 4) new
>> >ELP Website (Wordpress-blog based). These four actions need to be
>> >undertaken in sequence (and then maintained simultaneously),
> the second
>> >requires the first, and so on. In the report to the ELP I
> recommend we
>> >try to show the 4 actions and how they connect visually,
> because these
>> >four actions represent a lot of very fundamental change to the
> work
>> >individuals do and how the ELP manages information. Careful
> planning is
>> >required. During and after implementation these 4 actions will
> require a
>> >lot of on-demand support to succeed. In other words, I think
> we should
>> >not underestimate the kind and scale of change that these 4
> actions will
>> >produce.
>> >
>> >2. Start with Google accounts and calendar function only and then
>> >gradually build toward more usage of other Google services and
> Web 2.0
>> >tools..
>> >
>> >As I see it, Owen's proposal would be largely invisible to the
> staff and
>> >would allow proposal #2 to be primarily what people would be
> aware of
>> >initially. However, it does have some potentially significant
> issues
>> >attached to it, such as who would be assigned to do the set
> up, support
>> >and management of the server space and eventually the ELP
> Website. I am
>> >pretty ignorant of what is required along these lines, but if
> there is
>> >sufficient to be gained, I'm willing to give it a try. I may
> be able to
>> >enlist Suzaki san's help if the work is not too technical.
>> >
>> >Therefore, I propose a rather general and simple proposal for
> the ELP
>> >meeting. It would outline our recommendation to work toward
> gradually
>> >integrating Web 2.0 tools and services into the workings of
> the ELP,
>> >starting with use of Google Calendar along with a Google
> account for all
>> >ELP staff. We can then work out whether this will be arranged
> through
>> >the separate server space and free educational version of the
>> >services, or through individually set up Google accounts if
> the server
>> >option proves to be too complicated for us to handle.
>> >
>> >Your thoughts, gentlemen....?
>> >
>> >Bill
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Bill Harshbarger, Director
>> >English Language Program
>> >International Christian University
>> >3-10-2 Osawa, Mitaka-shi
>> >Tokyo 181-8585
>> > + (81) 422-33-3219
>> > billh@icu.ac.jp <mailto: billh@icu.ac.jp>
> <mailto:billh@icu.ac.jp <mailto: billh@icu.ac.jp>>
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>> >
>> >--
>> >Bill Harshbarger, Director
>> >English Language Program
>> >International Christian University
>> >3-10-2 Osawa, Mitaka-shi
>> >Tokyo 181-8585
>> > + (81) 422-33-3219
>> > billh@icu.ac.jp <mailto:billh@icu.ac.jp> <mailto:
> billh@icu.ac.jp <mailto:billh@icu.ac.jp>>
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>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> English Language Program
> International Christian University
> 3-10-2 Osawa, Mitaka-shi
> Tokyo 181-8585
> + (81) 422-33-3219
> billh@icu.ac.jp <mailto:billh@icu.ac.jp>
> http://indirector.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> --
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> English Language Program
> International Christian University
> 3-10-2 Osawa, Mitaka-shi
> Tokyo 181-8585
> + (81) 422-33-3219
> billh@icu.ac.jp <mailto:billh@icu.ac.jp>
> http://indirector.blogspot.com
> >
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